Music education: thoughts and experiences?

Guest · 2026-06-12T14:55:08+02:00

I've struggled to be musical all my life--took lessons, took college classes, did ear training, etc. I think I finally cracked the code, and it's surprisingly simple: 1) Learn to play melodies by ear (starts with singing) 2) Learn only enough theory to: [i] know your way around your instrument (scales, arpeggios) [/i] understand chords [i] understand song structure 3) Experiment (ie have fun!) The most anal formal exercise I'd recommend is learning to hear relative scale degrees (two very good apps available for that)--though I think that skill would be developed by transcribing (playing by ear), it's helpful for your confidence level to have graded exercises you can have some success with. But my experience with most of my music teachers is they fall into one of two traps: For classical music, it's: 1) Learn how to translate written notes into notes on your instrument. 2) Go to 1. For instance: I was taking clarinet lessons and I remember my teacher saying goodbye to his last student--a kid--and the teacher said, "If you bring me the sheet music for it, we can learn to play it." And I thought what a missed opportunity that was for that girl to learn to hear and transcribe music--obviously not a skill he thought was important to the teacher at all. And I'd understand now wanting to do that for piano, which is really complicated, but learning to play a melody by ear on a single note instrument is a very achievable goal, especially when you have someone that can tell you what key it's in and what the first note is. The trap for jazz music is: 1) Learn what are the "right" notes to play. 2) Play them in any random order. I used to blame teachers for just being bad at their jobs, but I think students (and maybe parents/administrators) are also to blame. I ran across a senior guy who was trying to get back into piano. He'd played for a few years and it was clear he had no idea of how to be musical--no idea of how to construct a simple bass line, no knowledge of how to define a chord. So I said, "Hey, I'll work with you even though I don't play piano, I think you need to learn this song and just play the root and the five in the left hand, and sing the melody while you play, and use a metronome." What an amazing exercise I thought: it would help teach him timing, develop his ear, develop his feel, let him be expressive with his voice, let him embody the melody, lear to work the bass, etc. Aren't I brilliant teacher? You know what this guy did? He pulled out his phone to show me some recordings he did of him playing the song the way his music teacher had written it out for him; it was what I expected--just haltingly reading the music with no sense of time. I wasn't sure, but I think he wanted me to praise him for playing such a complex piece. For him, and maybe for a lot of students (and certainly for parents and administrators), they don't actually want to master music, they want to impress people. And maybe for the musically disinclined, haltingly playing a complex written piece is more impressive than a 2-note bassline in time with an expressive voiceline sensitive to dynamic; since most people in charge of music education (parents and school administrators) don't know music, maybe they would promote a teacher who taught the former and fire a teacher who taught the latter.. For jazz programs, I think they've got a lot of theory they've got to cram into the kids heads, and we can learn theory a lot faster than we can develop musically, so if you're going to be judged on "performance" of your students, you'll be rewarded for having them be able to pass essentially paper exams set to music more than for having them skillfully play pentatonic blues. I don't know what the answer is, but for [/i]some* reason, actually mastering music is very low on the list for both teachers and students. What's all y'all's experience with music and music education?

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OrangePumkin

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Nice to see music being discussed on lemmy.

Anybody liking Bollywood songs ??

12 Jun 2026 20:55

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schipelblorp

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Damn, man, and I spend my days posting on Lemmy. Maybe one day I'll get there.

There's a pretty accomplished bass player that has a general music channel on youtube. He has a whole post about reading music where he concludes that it's very time-intensive skill to learn that definitely has its uses, but unless you plan to be in situations where you have to read music, it's really not worth the time.

I find when I get into discussion about reading music, people often think I also mean don't learn music theory or understand anything and don't know the notes of a scale or what they are on your instrument, which is absolutely not the case.

But, yes, people have different abilities and some people like me benefit from some scaffolding but can be harmed by too much of it, and other people, like you, don't really need it at all.

12 Jun 2026 21:04

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schipelblorp

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I got a Roland EWI--it was actually my breakthrough instrument. Since my ear was good enough to figure out the root of the song (thanks to some work with some apps), I just transposed that EWI to the song and started transcribing away... I really recommend it because you can play literally any song you know and your knowledge of relative pitch is reinforced because it always has the same position (and I'm gonna go ahead and drag traditional music education for shoving students into learning multiple keys before the ear's developed (like, seriously, fuck recorders; they sound like shit and the only reason people use them is because it can play all 12 notes; you're much better off handing out penny whistles which lock people into a 7-tone scale in one or two keys until they have a stable sense of relative pitch, then give them a real instrument to learn).

If you're in the mood, you can turn any guitar into a microtonal instrument. Just remove the frets, fill the gaps, and make some adjustable frets with loops of wire. I think that's how the original lutes were. Or just go entirely fretless--I think that's how the Turkish Oud works. Or play slide, which doesn't require any modification other than maybe raising the strings.

There's also any of the bowed string instruments.... but that's getting into territory where you'd have to learn a lot of technique, which might not be your bag.

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12 Jun 2026 21:15

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schipelblorp

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No, but I am moving through different musical genres, and bollywood is on the list eventually.

It blows my mind that people have access to the entire universe of recorded music in their pocket and end up listening to what's popular right now, or what they've heard a million times before.

12 Jun 2026 21:20

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joeljoelle

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It's a style of trance music that matures on the beaches of Goa India, in the 60s there was a lot of travelers to India after the Beatles and the hippies all went over there, there were some people who just stayed. Over some time people kept bringing different kinds of records to these beach parties, and some DJs began spinning some industrial/EBM music, which mixed with some weird sound effects and other records, you get an early proto trance. From there some influences came from Indian music, other electronics music going on in Europe at the time, and the psychedelic hippie culture that was still going on in Goa. Here's some examples:

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